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  Are there any decent arguments for God's existence which do not fall prey to the argument from ignorance fallacy? (i.e. God of the gaps)

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  god of the gaps arguments are simply not convincing, god is no more likely to be the correct gap filler than anything else, in any case where god is squeezed into a gap, we could easily just fill it with (for example) a committee of eternally existing physical lifeforms, god is no more plausible than they are as an explanation.

  as for the arguments themselves:.

  the cosmological argument = god of the gaps: we think (though we are not certain) that the universe had a beginning, it was probably the big bang, the big bang needed a cause.

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  I actually think it's funny when someone ignores the substance of someone's argument & focuses on the ad hominem attacks only. Yeah, it's easy to fight fire with fire, but fighting substance with holy spirit? No contest i'm afraid
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  Are there any decent arguments for God's existence which do not fall prey to the argument from ignorance fallacy? (i.e. God of the gaps)

  by Psychotic Parrot in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  god of the gaps arguments are simply not convincing, god is no more likely to be the correct gap filler than anything else, in any case where god is squeezed into a gap, we could easily just fill it with (for example) a committee of eternally existing physical lifeforms, god is no more plausible than they are as an explanation.

  as for the arguments themselves:.

  the cosmological argument = god of the gaps: we think (though we are not certain) that the universe had a beginning, it was probably the big bang, the big bang needed a cause.

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  Yeah why don't you do that parsewordprotected, baring in mind that many of those responses were from me. I'd appreciate it if you responded to them in your thread rather than pm'ing me about them behind closed doors.

  Oh & in future could you please refrain from trashing threads with really really long & pointless posts that are made just to be spiteful?

  Cheers
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  Are there any decent arguments for God's existence which do not fall prey to the argument from ignorance fallacy? (i.e. God of the gaps)

  by Psychotic Parrot in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  god of the gaps arguments are simply not convincing, god is no more likely to be the correct gap filler than anything else, in any case where god is squeezed into a gap, we could easily just fill it with (for example) a committee of eternally existing physical lifeforms, god is no more plausible than they are as an explanation.

  as for the arguments themselves:.

  the cosmological argument = god of the gaps: we think (though we are not certain) that the universe had a beginning, it was probably the big bang, the big bang needed a cause.

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  Deputy Dog,

  No it doesn't, because atheism & agnosticism are not mutually exclusive.

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  An agnostic atheist doesn't know on an intellectual whether there is a God or not, & sees no reason to assume there is.

  A gnostic atheist knows on an intellectual level that there is no God & thus does not believe in God. I consider this to be an unreasonable position with current scientific knowledge.

  An agnostic theist doesn't know on an intellectual level whether there is a God or not, but assumes that there is.

  A gnostic theist knows on an intellectual level that there is a God & thus believes in God. I consider this also to be an unreasonable position with current scientific knowledge.

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  By the way pisswordprotected, you're really out of your depth here.

  'LMAO' ¬_¬
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  Are there any decent arguments for God's existence which do not fall prey to the argument from ignorance fallacy? (i.e. God of the gaps)

  by Psychotic Parrot in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  god of the gaps arguments are simply not convincing, god is no more likely to be the correct gap filler than anything else, in any case where god is squeezed into a gap, we could easily just fill it with (for example) a committee of eternally existing physical lifeforms, god is no more plausible than they are as an explanation.

  as for the arguments themselves:.

  the cosmological argument = god of the gaps: we think (though we are not certain) that the universe had a beginning, it was probably the big bang, the big bang needed a cause.

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  pisswordprotected,

  I haven't once tried to prove God isn't real, & i've made that clear multiple times now! I've merely stated that the arguments for the existence of God are not particularly compelling & that there are plenty of alternative explanations for the existence of the universe & life. This does not prove that God does not exist, nor is it supposed to. It merely puts the God explanation in it's place as just one possible explanation among many.

  Please do not put words in my mouth, because that IS a watchtower tactic if ever there was one.
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  Are there any decent arguments for God's existence which do not fall prey to the argument from ignorance fallacy? (i.e. God of the gaps)

  by Psychotic Parrot in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  god of the gaps arguments are simply not convincing, god is no more likely to be the correct gap filler than anything else, in any case where god is squeezed into a gap, we could easily just fill it with (for example) a committee of eternally existing physical lifeforms, god is no more plausible than they are as an explanation.

  as for the arguments themselves:.

  the cosmological argument = god of the gaps: we think (though we are not certain) that the universe had a beginning, it was probably the big bang, the big bang needed a cause.

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  Cagefighter,

  No, this is all aimed at those who think God exists, not God.
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  Are there any decent arguments for God's existence which do not fall prey to the argument from ignorance fallacy? (i.e. God of the gaps)

  by Psychotic Parrot in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  god of the gaps arguments are simply not convincing, god is no more likely to be the correct gap filler than anything else, in any case where god is squeezed into a gap, we could easily just fill it with (for example) a committee of eternally existing physical lifeforms, god is no more plausible than they are as an explanation.

  as for the arguments themselves:.

  the cosmological argument = god of the gaps: we think (though we are not certain) that the universe had a beginning, it was probably the big bang, the big bang needed a cause.

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  Deputy Dog,

  There are plenty of atheists out there who are atheist merely by default. Some of us have actually thought about it though. I am an atheist because i have no belief in God. I am an agnostic because i am intellectually neutral on the matter of his existence, are you?

  And it's not so much an admission of your point as it is an observation that your point supports mine
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  Are there any decent arguments for God's existence which do not fall prey to the argument from ignorance fallacy? (i.e. God of the gaps)

  by Psychotic Parrot in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  god of the gaps arguments are simply not convincing, god is no more likely to be the correct gap filler than anything else, in any case where god is squeezed into a gap, we could easily just fill it with (for example) a committee of eternally existing physical lifeforms, god is no more plausible than they are as an explanation.

  as for the arguments themselves:.

  the cosmological argument = god of the gaps: we think (though we are not certain) that the universe had a beginning, it was probably the big bang, the big bang needed a cause.

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  Cagefighter,

  If i ever have the privilege of debating professional writers i shall indeed try to tone down my anger, i am alas very young & full of hormones & they have been known boil over from time to time, but since there are no professional writers on this board (& very few particularly gifted amateurs either, oh damn there's another one!), i think i can get away with it, i think my arguments contain enough substance to make up for the ad hominem attacks.

  Oh & yes, if God does exist, then He is most certainly a jerk!
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  Are there any decent arguments for God's existence which do not fall prey to the argument from ignorance fallacy? (i.e. God of the gaps)

  by Psychotic Parrot in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  god of the gaps arguments are simply not convincing, god is no more likely to be the correct gap filler than anything else, in any case where god is squeezed into a gap, we could easily just fill it with (for example) a committee of eternally existing physical lifeforms, god is no more plausible than they are as an explanation.

  as for the arguments themselves:.

  the cosmological argument = god of the gaps: we think (though we are not certain) that the universe had a beginning, it was probably the big bang, the big bang needed a cause.

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  Psychotic Parrot

  You wish you could find an atheist who admits to being a theist?

  Okay, good luck with that! I'm off to look for an African who can admit to being a European.
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  Are there any decent arguments for God's existence which do not fall prey to the argument from ignorance fallacy? (i.e. God of the gaps)

  by Psychotic Parrot in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  god of the gaps arguments are simply not convincing, god is no more likely to be the correct gap filler than anything else, in any case where god is squeezed into a gap, we could easily just fill it with (for example) a committee of eternally existing physical lifeforms, god is no more plausible than they are as an explanation.

  as for the arguments themselves:.

  the cosmological argument = god of the gaps: we think (though we are not certain) that the universe had a beginning, it was probably the big bang, the big bang needed a cause.

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  pisswordprotected,

  You come here & break my thread & then accuse me of watchtower tactics? Touche dude. Oh & by the way, if faith is such a bad thing, as you seem to be implying, then why are you such a man of faith?

  And no, like i've said, i'd love to debate WLC, far from being afraid of his words, i'd love to take him on personally & call him out on them. I do not however like being completely bogwashed with endless paragraphs of his writings in such a tasteless & thoughtless way.
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  Are there any decent arguments for God's existence which do not fall prey to the argument from ignorance fallacy? (i.e. God of the gaps)

  by Psychotic Parrot in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  god of the gaps arguments are simply not convincing, god is no more likely to be the correct gap filler than anything else, in any case where god is squeezed into a gap, we could easily just fill it with (for example) a committee of eternally existing physical lifeforms, god is no more plausible than they are as an explanation.

  as for the arguments themselves:.

  the cosmological argument = god of the gaps: we think (though we are not certain) that the universe had a beginning, it was probably the big bang, the big bang needed a cause.

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  wobble,

  Thank you

  I'm only a lay person when it comes to cosmological phsyics & thus my opinion on the origins of the universe will be no more informed than yours. I think that the idea that energy has always existed in some form is pleasing though, it certainly fits with the first law of thermodynamics. But the rest is for those who have put the time (& energy lol) into investigating these matters to figure out.

  People like pisswordprotected who break threads & post insane ramblings of people like WLC bring nothing to the table. And how that idiot could possibly think that my first post was pasted from somewhere is beyond me, it was such a poorly written post that i hesitated to click Submit when i finished writing it